More powerful than Yoda, Luke or even the one prophesied to bring balance to the Force, Anakin Skywalker. No. In the galaxy far, far away, though, people want to rule a lot more than just one world. What's most striking about the theory is the implications it holds. Read the comics/novels. He was able to stop Poe’s blaster bolt in mid-air on Jakku. Now, keep in mind this theory isn’t saying Obi-Wan is packed to the gills with midi-chlorians, hence he is number one. Your destiny. Has Obi-Wan been the backbone of the Star Wars universe for the past 40-some-odd years, and we were too busy worrying about that troublesome Skywalker clan the entire time? I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Not only was Rey the first that truly defeated the most powerful Sith Lord, but she also showed her strong connection with the Force by calling upon the most powerful Jedi for assistance, proving her to be one of the strongest force users in all of Star Wars. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Rey is not only more powerful than Luke, she possesses the strength of all the Jedi combined. Even greater than Yoda and even greater than Anakin! 6. WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, in theaters now.. For decades, debates have raged which side is more powerful than the other in the Star Wars Universe. It is said in the The Force Awakens that Rey is particularly gifted with the Force and it is strongly hinted that she is related to Luke, Leia, and Kylo Ren in some way, or in other words, that she is a grandchild of Anakin Skywalker. We saw Ren use the Force in ways we haven’t witnessed before. rey lifting hundreds of rocks is just the escalation of showing someone is strong, as each saga had different power scales. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. You understand that force heal will rarely be utilized since you have to give up your life force each time. 0. with Ben being dead Rey is clearly the strongest force user alive but also compared to … And who (aside from Yoda) did we see escape Order 66 in Revenge of the Sith, despite the overwhelming odds? Vaders force power got alot stronger at least thats what i believe the comics and books are telling . Her and Kylo are actually equal. Some things are stronger than blood. Villain destroyed by his own hubris and all that. Palpatine may have seen Obi-Wan’s power. 12 Stronger: Ajunta Pall The crux of the argument lies in the battle between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul in the third act of The Phantom Menace. Follow him on his personal Twitter @MikeFugere. Hell, her and Ben. If you wondering whether your little ones will be ok, check out my ‘Is the Rise of Skywalker kid friendly‘ review. Over the years, she became a proficient scavenger employed under Unkar Plutt, and had to turn in any piece scrap she could salvage in return for food. And if bloodlines have any direct correlations with the level of power gained from tapping into the Force, then Rey would be the greatest threat to whatever form the Sith has taken. She only defeated him in TFA's because he was a total mess in so many ways. i.e palpatines power is so great fisto couldn't predict his attack and couldn't react, if rey's power dwarfs another saber wielders there's no reason to think the same thing wouldn't happen to them. Well Anakin was conceived by the force w/ stronger potential than even Yoda and spent years honing his abilities and he never became as strong as Rey. If obi wan could heal , he’d heal qui-gon after he got wrecked by maul. The list goes on man. 9-A with … This is another debate that has raged on for … Either Obi-Wan Kenobi is the Forest Gump of Star Wars or else he’s simply just that good. That implies Ben was stronger in the force user than Palpatine, Yoda and Vader/Anakin (at the time of ESB/ ROTJ). Yoda. Kylo would understandably be high, as he is grandson of Anakin, but 24000 seems a bit high. This theory posits that Obi-Wan Kenobi might be the most powerful Jedi audiences have encountered in the entire saga thus far. given the dialogue and display of power in TLJ we can assume that she is atleast the strongest force user in the movies, Luke about Reys Force Powers: "I have seen such raw strength only once before in Ben Solo.". Wait, before you downvote me i know most of u guys are not fan of her character and say that she is a merry su and yada yada. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. KEEP READING: Star Wars: The Vintage Collection Hasbro Figures Feature Sith Troopers. gauging who would win in a saber duel is also hard as it too relies on the style the filmmaker chooses, the novelizations claim palpatine moves at speeds that only windu can see when he kills kit fisto and the other jedi, yet to the audience it's a slow telegraphed stab, in a new hope obi wan and vader have a low energy duel but as seen in rebels with the defeat of maul obi-wan is far superior to his episode 3 self. He has published short stories in several publications including Rooster Republic Press. (…), RELATED: Rian Johnson Hopes His Star Wars Trilogy Is Still Happening. At the end of the day, the epic space opera may be the fears of an old man trying to snuff out any notion of freedom and hope. He surrounds himself with massive armies and powerful people like Vader, which make him appear stronger. In a one-on-one confrontation, Yoda would win because he’s really the more powerful of the two. They are both now the most powerful Force users (though Yoda scared the sh-t out of me in TLJ!). Fans of the Jedi Order have vouched for the Light Side whereas lovers of the Sith have made it abundantly clear the Dark Side cannot be stymied and will always find a way … The quantification of any spiritual ideology is pretty much ridiculous, especially when it’s predicated upon a predetermined level of microbe organisms living in one's body. I can rationalize the whole chosen one issue by keeping in mind that Anakin destroyed the Sith, Rey merely prevented a new rise. Yoda. I think her matter transfer thing is only something she could do with her dyad partner. as for palpatine, she found her place, learning her heritage and rejecting it and the throne of the sith in favor of the jedi and so was able to hear the voices of the thousand generations, so her surviving palpatine is a combined feat, his death was caused by his own lightning. RELATED: Star Wars Actor Doesn't Believe Fans Who Say They'll Boycott Episode IX. Who tracked down and dispatched General Grevious, a literal Jedi killing machine? Kannan Jarus: In the heart of a Jedi lies their strength. Add that to the fact that she is a Palpatine and you have your answer. Rey Skywalker is a human female scavenger who discovered her latent Force-sensitivity while on a quest to find the legendary Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and bring a new hope to a galaxy on the brink of war. Past things through the force. Yoda: [Yoda summons lightning to burn down the tree and the Jedi texts. And one last thing...through the force anything is possible. ... Rey. Mike Fugere is writer from Virginia Beach, where he lives with his two sons and wife. For the next fourteen years, she awaited her family's return in vain. He cares nothing for the Sith. The Force was stronger in the new "Star Wars" film than fans realized. There’s no conjecture or wild extrapolations. List of Over 100 Star Wars Episode IX Quotes. Or, if it does, it may not rest on those of a Skywalker. After Ren interrogated her, we saw Rey wield the Force and do so to an impressive degree. Star Wars Speculation is a community dedicated to speculative discussion of the Star Wars franchise. After reading wesskwalker’s theory, the latter seems to be the more likely of the two. At least, that was how The Phantom Menace explained it. Luke Skywalker: [Yoda appears as a ghost] Master Yoda.. Yoda: Young Skywalker.. Luke Skywalker: I'm ending all of this.The tree, the texts, the Jedi. Star Wars' John Boyega claims Anakin is a better Jedi than Rey and fans are divided. This theory, if proven true, would add some context as to why Emperor Palpatine is making a return in some capacity in the forthcoming Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. Even if she developed these incredible feats, by reading the texts and be part of a strong lineage, Yoda, for example, remains stronger, wiser. ... Was a mentor to Rey. Press J to jump to the feed. Trained Kylo Ren. So I’ll give you one more chance to look away if you haven’t seen Star Wars: Episode IX. Snoke spoke of the balance between light and dark. … They can pull ships out the air with the force. But keep in mind that Luke was not connected to the force at that point and he didnt measure her midichlorians either, so there is no way he could have been sure. That doesn’t mean she’s stronger than Ren, though. At the age of five, she was dropped off on the planet Jakku. Cyclops was right. However, figuring out which Force-user, be they Sith or Jedi, happens to be more powerful than their peers is far easier to navigate, as Reddit user wesskywalker lays out in a rather convincing fan theory. 5. Work together with your fellow speculators in an attempt to build understanding as we collectively try to unlock the secrets of upcoming Star Wars media! Probably would never be as wise as the 900+ year old yoda. i mean if we're just going by the films nothing anakin or obi-wan does is comparable. Tier: 9-A naturally. Mortal Kombat: Who's Who in the R-Rated Movie Reboot, Star Wars: Obi-Wan Was More Powerful Than Yoda - and Palpatine Knew It, Star Wars Actor Doesn't Believe Fans Who Say They'll Boycott Episode IX, Star Wars: Freddie Prinze Jr Drops Epic Rant on Fans, Franchise Mythology, Rian Johnson Hopes His Star Wars Trilogy Is Still Happening, Star Wars: The Vintage Collection Hasbro Figures Feature Sith Troopers, Knives Out's Approach to Representation Is as Misguided as Its Bigoted Characters, New The Suicide Squad Footage Almost Earns the Film's R-Rating, Star Wars: Anakin Became the Tusken Raiders' Bogeyman - and Darth Vader Their God, Godzilla Vs. 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Yoda was peaceful and used violence only when necessary — in defense of himself or others, or to attack a Sith. Moving ships around is nothing new. neither of them can pull the saber closer than the other. i think the reason it's hard to compare is because the style of the film maker effects the story being told / visuals on screen. Welcome to r/StarWarsSpeculation! It’s nigh impossible to quantify the Force in Star Wars. Cookies help us deliver our Services. (3) Darth Sidious: could arguably stalemate Yoda or even beat him, especially by the time of ROTJ and DE. It doesn’t work so she floats down. He can take out numerous Jedi Masters and even Yoda. As much as a faction of fans will probably hate to admit it, the whole space opera may hinge on Rey’s fate. If Macho Man Randy Savage played Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars - Duration: 1:10. A Star Wars fan theory suggests there's plenty of evidence in the prequels that Obi-Wan Kenobi was the most powerful Force user. The greatest teacher, failure is. After all, this is an inter-generational story about space wizards and laser swords that occurred a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. She is one of the new characters of the series, and is the main protagonist of the sequel films, having debuted in Episode Vll: The Force Awakens. I read the day before the release of TROS that of your the last of your bloodline, and ate force sensitive your will be the strongest in all of your family that came before you. Found a Jedi temple and trained a load of people. I'm going to burn it all down. Imo Palpatine was definitely nowwhere near his peak really in TROS despite doing all the things you mentioned. The most frequently reported theory is that Rey is actually Obi-Wan’s granddaughter. It is a curated space to talk about additions to canon in a larger perspective—incorporating analysis of the story being told and the real life factors around it in order to best theorize what comes next. She was meditating in the first few moments of TROS. Its evidence is on the screen. Yoda spoke of it. That’s more than master Yoda” meaning yoda was close to that benchmark. And Anakin was the strongest Force user alive with a higher midichlorian count than even master Yoda, right? Yeah. But that's not fair because she's the only Jedi of her generation. You must unlearn what you have learned. Yoda would be about 19000, because Qui-Gon said “it’s over 20000. looking at it along with the prequels you'd think the ot jedi and sith were weaker than padawan's given the speed and acrobatics we see and how easily objects are moved with the force compared to luke's saber or the x wing, but we know that's not the case, the sequel trilogy dials back the speed and lightsaber combat to put it back to the same level as the ot, but compensates by increasing the force powers effects, (the dyad is used to explain rey and ren's powers being buffed near each other, as rey is able to heal his fatal wound and he is able to resurrect her, something that was considered impossible in the prequels.). Either way, yes, Palpatine is either above Yoda in Legends due to ridiculous Legends Palpatine feats, or above Yoda in canon because he's ALL THE SITH!!! Yoda: Rise in the Force. ... "REY IS STRONGER THAN ANAKIN DELETE." Technically kill you with a half teleportation technique while they’re still at there separate location. Its … Directed and co-written by J.J. Abrams, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker stars Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong’o, Domhnall Gleeson, Kelly Marie Tran, Joonas Suotamo, Billie Lourd, Keri Russell, Anthony Daniels, Mark Hamill, Billy Dee Williams, Matt Smith and Carrie Fisher, with Naomi Ackie and Richard E. Grant. ... How Yoda plays a key role in Star Wars' new series. ... (to Rey) 1. Who is stronger than Darth Vader? No different. Thank you and May the Force Be With You! She may not currently be… Darth Sidious , even in ROTJ is also more powerful than Lord Vader. the ship pulling scene is fine for me, we've seen it before, and in the same film it shows the falcons engines blasting people away and kylo has to use the force to stop himself from being harmed rather than focusing on grabbing the ship, plus the ship they grabbed was a small transport and emphasized that the falcon was fast/powerful enough to out perform an x wing, a real life analogy would be the transport is a helicopter the falcon is a blackbird the difference in power is huge. Vol. I think the only thing she lacks is being better in lightsaber combat, where i think most Jedi masters would beat her. But the young Jedi Padawan defeated Maul in the heat of the moment after tapping into anger, and possibly fear, from watching his master, Qui Gon Jin, cut down. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. Finn Actor Says Anakin Skywalker Is a Better Jedi Than Rey & Kylo, Huge Debate Ensues. The scene of Rey and Ben pulling at the legacy saber on the Supremacy suggests that they are actually equally stong in the force. Click the button below to start this article in quick view. Even Obi-Wan acknowledged fear and anger being pillars of the Dark Side. They can. If you don’t face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the world will be lost. If she were to develop her lightning powers, agreed her lightsaber skills (maybe a double lightsaber or 2 single), and simply with age comes maturity and wisdom she has great potential. Perhaps Obi-Wan has always been there as something of an usher to make sure Anakin brings balance to the Force (the theory even states as much), but the subsequent rise of the Dark Side in the sequel trilogy proves that establishing balance doesn’t rest on the shoulders of one prophesied person. and Yoda's just one Jedi because he isn't the true chosen one who will channel ALL THE JEDI, Rey Palpatine. But for fans who have been paying attention to the films, and all of the surrounding media, this theory is right on the money, despite a few nitpicky holes in its logic (which are addressed within the theory). If you count Kylo/Ben I think she comes in second then. RELATED: Star Wars: Freddie Prinze Jr Drops Epic Rant on Fans, Franchise Mythology. This along with many other questions about Rey … Is Rey stronger than Luke? If we did then half the shit in the other movies wouldn’t have happened. "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" features brief cameos from Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda, director J. His volatile nature and background make him stronger with the Force than Rey. He is also the co-creator of the popular comedy Twitter account @a_single_bear. Well she's actually not stronger than Ben. (One thing anakin said after he said he will be the most powerful Jedi ever). 2. The film arrives on Dec. 20. Despite her initial strength, Rey is not strong enough to surpass Darth Vader, yet. 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Please be respectful and courteous to your fellow speculators - and be sure to check out our sidebar for the rules of this sub. despite having 4 of the most powerful force users of all time the original trilogy uses the active force powers sparingly and fights are slow and methodical, had abrams directed it or had it been made later i'm sure it'd have been more ostentatious. I see SEE as being quite largely superior as a unit. Luke Skywalker: Rey, some things are stronger than blood. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. 10:05. Deep down I believe she may end up being the most powerful Jedi ever. That means one of two things is true: Either Kenobi was able to suppress his feeling in order to take down Maul, or it he was able use his fear and anger as a strength. palpatine states the dyad has existed before (given revans canonization i wonder if that will be linked to him and bastilla), so it's possible other jedi had comparable boosted feats, and healing was apparently a technique in one of the books luke had. Palpatine doesn’t want any of that. Master Kenobi was in control of his fear, anger, jealously, and any other negative emotion that could dim the connection to the Force. 1 Depicts a Vibrant Past... and an Already-Dated Future? He laughs] Ah, Skywalker.Missed you, have I. Luke Skywalker: So it is time for the Jedi Order to end. It’s a dark side power and in order to use it one must feed it with fear, anger, or hate, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the starwarsspeculation community, Continue browsing in r/starwarsspeculation. The scene of Rey and Ben pulling at the legacy saber on the Supremacy suggests that they are actually equally stong in the force. She kept saying “be with me” hoping that Jedi of the past would speak to her. But one could argue palpatine was the most powerful (held the most power) throughout the 9 movies. Yea we didn’t have that in the other movies. so when we see rey and ren (who are stated to be absurdly strong by luke and palpatine) fight it's hard to judge based on the way they swing as that was a film making decision (in case i'm not being clear, what i mean is if the anakin and obi-wan fight was directed by abrams of johnson it would look very different to what we got). After all, who defeated Anakin? All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Remember, all viewpoints and critiques are welcome here - but for excessive ranting and blind cynicism, we ask that you please visit other communities more suitable to your tastes. Everybody wants to rule the world, at least according to the English pop-rock band Tears for Fears. Rey MORE Powerful than Yoda?? Darth Sidious pre Oder 66Darth Sidious pre Oder 66 era is more powerful than Lord Vader. Your destiny. He flat out counters JML teams thanks to all the anti-jedi synergy in his kit. - Duration: 10:05. Now, we won’t get into rehashing every point; you really should read it for yourself to determine whether it makes sense. It’s pretty much black and white, and from the get-go, it's compelling. Luke Skywalker, (to Rey… Sidious may have been at full power after draining Rey and Ben but he arguably defeated himself since it was his own force lightning that killed him (as well as Rey), which seems pretty fair. her and ben when together seem capable of more than any force user we've seen (barring palpatine). And Anakin was the strongest Force user alive with a higher midichlorian count than even master Yoda, right? Rey was born to unidentified parents. The protection drain in his link will obviously work better vs GL Rey/JML comps than it will against SLKR - this is just because SLKR lineups usually run KRU and sometimes Malak (reduced damage from % effects). Lmao Rey definitely stronger than movie Yoda. with Ben being dead Rey is clearly the strongest force user alive but also compared to the earlier generations. Only different in your mind. A one-stop shop for all things video games. And lastly, Rey. https://www.cbr.com › star-wars-theory-obi-wan-most-powerful-jedi-palpatine Too Hard To Tell... For Now - Mace Windu. The movies are not the only canon sources. If you are experiencing any problems or have any issues please use the report function or do no hesitate to contact our moderators directly. And the most important feat, is she beating fking full power Palpatine... the one dude that just soled an ENTIRE FLEET OF SHIPS by far the most powerful feat in Star wars canon, and for Rey to be even close to that level, not only that but also beating him. She cannot be compared to Anakins potential. Obi Wan Kenobi: Rise. Look i dont like her character too much either but im talking about the FEATS she has, not her character, nor how is she so strong are in talk here. The prequel trilogy tried desperately to give the mysterious, metaphysical energy from which the Jedi and the Sith draw their power a unit of measurement (enter: midi-chlorians). It’s been done before. The following is what we do know. They can literally stop people from dying. Yoda. Or Vader could’ve absorbed Kanan and Ezra due to there connection and grew his limbs back. No, we probably can't say that Rey is stronger with the Force than Yoda, Palpatine, Anakin, etc. As mentioned previously, this movie is intense and violent. Rey is included because there's no doubt that she will become one of the strongest Jedi ever. That leads into another theory that's been floating around since the release of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. As a result, the closest thing to a “fight” that we’d ever see between these two would have to be started by a confused Rey (confused as she’d have to assume Yoda was an enemy), and it would be over before it began. I hate to say but her resume of powers would deems her the most powerful Jedi we’ve seen in film. neither of them can pull the saber closer than the other. We’ve seen Sith Lords test their apprentices time and time again, and the more you examine the relationship between Palpatine and Darth Vader, it quickly become apparent that the former had little faith in the latter. Please be reasonable and open-minded. 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